QF 787 Y 3:3:3 layout, VA 777 is 3:3:3 on a much wider fuselage so again it’s less seat (narrower) longer flights no revolution there, US flights the VA Y seat looks again more spacious. PatrickK: Bon is correct, this is a different seat. Premium Economy Stretch out and relax in our award-winning Premium Economy cabin, with luxurious levels of space and attentive service. Qantas can't even "afford" to do that for their Premium Economy product? I sleep better in economy with no leg rest. We're not fools. For all the media hype, this QF aircraft is as others say merely this airline partly catching up with some competitors, and failing to match the space that JL (Japan Air Lines) offers in its similar planes. premium price for the privelege, although while this may have needed a flight from Seattle to realise, in the literal sense of the word, it was obvious right from the start that young Mr Caon had got it wrong.Together with the comments add to the impression that PE is a class too many in the small aircraft which is the B787, and that JAL has done it right in regard to the aircraft it has configured for flights to/from Australia. This all comes back to pitch, to the distance between the seats. Didnât receive an activation email? Browse our airport guides and lounge network information. Unlike the premium economy seat of the Qantas A380, and most other airlines, there’s no legrest built into the front of the Dreamliner's seat – Caon says this is because it “has a limited range of motion” and “in the end it doesn't fully support your feet.". I was able to try the premium economy seat yesterday. Great idea for short people. When the premium economy seat tilts back into a generous 9.5 inch recline (a smidge more than on the Qantas A380 superjumbo), the base of the seat angles up and moves forward. Seated in an intimate and private cabin, you'll enjoy the benefits of flying premium with dedicated check-in, priority boarding, a well thought out seat design with indulgent touches to make you feel at home plus a refreshed menu and extensive wine list. Stretch out and relax in our award-winning Premium Economy cabin, with luxurious levels of space and attentive service. Absolutely best in class at the time. Use your points for flights, upgrades, hotels, or car hire. But so far, the Qantas 787 reviews are mixed. See deals on flights to Sydney, flights to Melbourne and more international and Australian flights. Non-bulkhead rows (row 21-23) measured 38 inches of pitch, while the bulkhead row 20 has significantly more knee room, but less room to stretch out your legs due to the bulkhead. "..there really is no excuse for Qantas...". PS Can't help but think FLX1 is a Qantas troll. David also looks extremely well dressed, with a tie, as male business travellers ought have except in tropical climates. What I tend to do is when available, I assess by seat product specs and hopefully, some clear photos/diagrams revealing the product fm all angles and all available adjustment config/setting. The Qantas Premium Economy Experience: Anytime I get to fly on a 747, I find myself as excited as a kid in a candy store. Discover the world with Qantas and our partners. The reclined seat in front now impinges even further into the space of the row behind. This would not only have been easier to set up, but it would make it much easier to put back into position when getting out of and back into the seat – something which I'd expect will happen several times on any Dreamliner flight. I have used SQ premium economy, while nice, compared with standard economy, I prefer the QF product. I can always tell by the language used in the report whether the reviewer paid for their fare or if it was complimentary. Allowing for this extra space between the edge of the cushion and the inner wall of the armrests brings the total of what could be called ‘hip width’ to 22.8 inches (58cm).
01. The new Qantas Dreamliner has now been in service for a couple of months. Here's a shot of this in situ on the Boeing 787-9... ... and a clearer snap from the seat's launch earlier this year, which illustrates the difference once the seat reclines. The new premium economy cabin. David, in photo 16 (and shown in photo 17 with your writing notebook), does that side space have something at the bottom of the seat to ensure that whatever you put there, stays there (without slipping down into the bowels of the seat, necessitating a call to an FA)? An excellent review from Mr Flynn, and nice to see an independent evaluation rather than a reproduction Qantas propaganda as per their earlier PR releases.Imagine being on the window seat or middle of the middle seats I booked PE on the inaugural flight to LAX before seeing this product (note to self, don't trust QF's understanding of the term "revolutionary") and now I'm a little less excited about the flight. parties. Correct me if I'm wrong. Qantas B787-9 Dreamliner seat map, seating chart, cabin interior, business premium economy class, seat pitch legroom. Hypothetically, every 13 rows of PY @ 41" pitch is equivalent to 14 rows of PY @ 38" pitch and over 17 rows of Y @ 31" pitch in terms of cabin real estate consumption. Premium Economy sounds and looks terribly uncomfortable. I'll keep an open mind and give it a go sometime. Like many comments here I find a deep recline position far more comfortable. Put on our noise-cancelling headphones and tune into the latest movies, TV box sets, music and interactive games. Thanks David for this detailed review, it doesn't pull any punches, is very 'considered' about identifying the problems and should make some commenters on the Qantas Boeing 787 Business Class review realise that AusBT remains independent and always ready to call a spade a spade. The new premium economy cabin. I think you're over thinking this, In business class I sleep better setting the seat to a recline position instead of fully flat, that's just me. Bold claim? Premium Economy is supposed to be a lot better than economy, nobody here is asking for business class at PE prices, but adequate legroom is an essential part of the PE product offering and this seat or rather the pitch assigned to it by Qantas doesn't deliver. Seated in an intimate and private cabin, you'll enjoy the benefits of flying premium with dedicated check-in, priority boarding, a well thought out seat design with indulgent touches to make you feel at home plus a refreshed menu and extensive wine list. And premium I just can't get as comfortable as economy which is ironic.". Find departure and arrival information and view our on time performance. But that's the point David and I were making, rather than setting the seat to flat we prefer setting it to a recliner position for sleep. Use the Qantas App to book and manage your trip with features such as check-in, seat selection, boarding pass access, My QFF and more. Earning points couldn’t be easier. Hmm... perhaps Qantas might revert back to 31" in Economy to make room for 40" in Premium Economy??? These seats can only be selected by Gold and above FF's. Credit to AirNZ for the way it acted so promptly in fixing its premium economy legroom issues, however AirNZ's Boeing 777-300ER premium economy Spaceseat cabin was almost twice the size of the Qantas Boeing 787-9's premium economy cabin. Spot on. Get the latest flight deals straight to your inbox. Oh wait, there may be an excuse for Scoot.....so they've a higher chance to earn more fm baggage allowance(if pax BYO a tablet device among their travel belongings), tablet device rental and wifi connection fee....excellent excuse indeed. I'm about 180cm and had plenty of legroom. (The Kiwi carrier eventually ditched the radical Spaceseat design in favour of the more conventional seat flown on its own Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners.). Qantas has touted its Premium Economy seat on its Boeing 787s as the world’s best. Whilst NZ did make the right decision by removing the row of its ironically named Spaceseat, it blew up its economics and doomed it to the scrapheap. Upgrade my browser. FLX, I understand, however looking back through the comments you have personally replied to approx 8 different people comments on this topic that appear to be negative, I find that “interesting” that someone would take the time to constantly reply to multiple posts on a topic. Excellent article: very considered, and terrific photos. Log in below. 1) Because many commentators here relentlessly regard SQ or 350 as an angel while QF or 787 as an evil. I'm certainly not on an anti-QF rant, I just suggested that I'm surprised by the lack of WiFi. Otherwise how would you know! I think removing a row of premium economy seats is going to be troublesome for the finely-calculated economics of the Qantas Dreamliner. David Flynn travelled on the Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner delivery flight from Seattle to Sydney as a guest of Qantas. There's nothing to communicate either of these points to passengers. Wow what a nightmare, and that's 'Premium' Economy (at a premium price). Could not agree more! Why the same complaints not extended here on this forum.". Qantas will treat its Boeing 787 economy class passengers to an extra inch of legroom over the airline's flagship A380 superjumbo, along with mod cons such as an iPad stand built into each seat. Not a chance in the world. Like others have said, people book premium Qantas PE and F classes are a total waste of money it seems. The seat reclines eight inches (20 cm). Some time in the future could you please give a comparison between SIA, VA, and QF premium economy products on say BNE, SIngapore, BNE, LAX, Perth, LHR, or similar, should make an interesting read. Sit back and relax in your A380 Premium Economy seat, designed by Marc Newson and built by Recaro. Just below the screen is a pocket for stowing your smartphone, reading glasses or other small bits of personal kit. Each seat has a 13.3 inch video screen... ... with those fitted to the armrests of the front-row seats showcasing how narrow today's video screens have become. On top of that, there's extra cut-out space chiselled into the wide armrests: Qantas counts those recesses as ‘storage areas’, although they'd best suited to small slim items such as a notepad, travel diary or maybe a compact tablet in a protective case. "SQ premium economy also 38". Good article. I always slept like a baby on this train in first class, aided by less intrusive lighting (blue night lights) compared to the annoying bright white light seepage from the galley or toilet areas, or the yellow 'seatbelt sign' lights on most aircraft. Really interesting how another review l recently read, gave PE a glowing report - however that reviewer travelled as a guest of QF. It's an absolute con as there's little evidence that one will 'sleep' any better than in much cheaper cattle class Y. Andy: it's actually not too bad, naturally gets less so once the seat in front reclines... will be posting a photo gallery/review of the economy seats when we can, but might not be until next week... Great review and definitely what I thought about the leg room situation. Get the latest flight sales and travel reviews straight to your inbox. Caon cannily built a convenient tablet-holder in front of the seatback screens, for passengers who prefer to BYO inflight video and movies, with sufficient size to hold even a 13-inch iPad Pro. There's much to like about Qantas' new premium economy seat, which sits in its own cabin of four rows with a 2-3-2 seating layout. Premium Economy Stretch out and relax in our award-winning Premium Economy cabin, with luxurious levels of space and attentive service. I Sincerely hope the A380 refit doesn't go the same way. !This video is a comprehensive look at the Qantas dreamliner in ALL 3 classes of service. Penny pinching to say the least. I think the fact it took such a long article to explain the mechanics of a Premium Economy seat, probably tells you everything you need to know about that product.... Looks very underwhelming and quite tight. Thai Airways A350-900 business class Bangkok to Singapore 06. Do you have a pic of both seat in front and pax seat side one? David, what would your prefer, A380 PE or 787? In fact having been on SQ A350, I find their 2-4-2 premium economy configurations quite tight. Indulge in multi-course meals designed by a renowned Australian chef, premier Australian wines and service with a friendly Aussie smile. Economy seats are narrower (by 0.76 centimetres) than those on Qantas' larger international planes, but I couldn't tell. We found pricing of $5813 for Premium Economy and a whopping $12,551 for Qantas Dreamliner business class. Virgin Australia, Air Canada frequent flyer partnership, Singapore Airlines: new KrisFlyer 2022-2023 status extension, Apple's own cellular modem could finally launch 5G MacBooks, Apple's new $900 AirPods Max noise-cancelling headphones, Apple's next Mac M2 laptop chips could out-muscle Intel, The Executive Traveller 2020 Christmas Gift Guide, Australian approval of Pfizer vaccine expected in January. Scoot's parent is SQ and SQ already has inflight WiFi and thus an agreement in place with a satellite provider to buy X amount of bandwidth. This goes beyond a small section of netting at the bottom of the seat. 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Surely thats a safety issue if it is. Maximum 22.1inch width available per section. As the seat goes into the lazy z does it not open back up that space? Check the latest information on temporary inflight and airport service changes. The lavatory issue is a problem for QF which now has W class pax stumbling through a darkened J class to get to their allocated loo, a poor outcome for both J & W pax. It's a far more costly PY design specs than many folks imagined for NZ to go 41" instead of the typical 38" like QF even if no diff in seat construction cost. Ok, apart from the hammock thing it's no advance over something like the prev gen PE seating on EVA - Which at it's height had 40" pitch (reduced to 38 when they reconfigured the J cabin), same pivot-cradle style seat but executed better - with leg-rest, and seat dropped into it's own space when reclined, minimising the space encroachment on the passenger behind. More space and dedicated cabin crew, you’ll experience personalised service. That's also pretty clear cut too for me. The well-padded seat cushion is 19.5 inches wide (49cm) from edge to edge, while the armrest-to-armrest distance – the standard way in which seat widths are measured – comes in at 20.5 inches (52cm), which is one inch more than on the Qantas A380. And premium I just can't get as comfortable as economy which is ironic. Request wheelchair assistance. I suspect that design aspect in QF's new PY being underrated likely because for folks who hv tried it, they're more used to testing/using J designs which hv 180 degree recline anyway. If you can book these seats ignore business. © Qantas Airways Limited ABN 16 009 661 901. While other facts apparently can be overlooked in a heart beat by so many folks here. interact with our community. Qantas Boeing 787 premium economy seat specs There are 28 seats in the Qantas Dreamliner’s premium economy cabin, arranged in four rows of 2-3-2 and sandwiched between the business class and economy sections. There's much to like about Qantas' new premium economy seat, which sits in its own cabin of four rows with a 2-3-2 seating layout. But my point is comments like "I actually slept worse in the JQ J seat on the 788 than I normally do in the QF Y seat on the 333/332." That means PY production cost per 789 flight @ NZ is structurally always 7.7% higher than QF. The more you fly, the faster you'll enjoy benefits like priority boarding; or earn points to unlock Points Club, where you'll enjoy benefits like lounge access, or The Qantas Club to start your journey off right. Yes, happily this is not a bottomless pit. What a fantastic and detailed review David. This article is more proof how the QF 'Dreamliner' could be more correctly be called the 'Nightmareliner' (for all but the small number in business class.). I don't know about U but I personally never ever take the PR descriptive such as "revolutionary" or "streets ahead of..." fm any vendor without a heavy grain of salt. Not sure any airline, QF included are too keen to resolve the issue. The premium economy cabin features 56 seats in a 2-4-2 cabin layout, with a seat pitch (legroom) of 40 inches (102 cm) and a width of 19.5 inches (50 cm).Recline motion provide a class-leading level of comfort quite tight. `` airline is a oversight. Seat though have this issue of leg room is the qantas dreamliner premium economy version seen on the market issue as noted the. B787-9 ) seat power at every seat 787-9 – deserve better with luxurious levels of space attentive. It will be sold in all classes of travel on Qantas check the latest movies, TV sets. 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